Stom wrote: Oakboy wrote:
Tom Moore wrote:
Carling was great until the 1990 5 Nations. Once we lost to the Scots and the game plan became more restricted he went inside himself and became very little more than a bosh 1 12 (which he admittedly wasn't bad at).
Greenwood was genuine world class, him and Guscott (although very different players) are the best English centres I've ever seen.
Agreed. It is still strange that in a period of, say, 35 years from 1985 onwards, we are all talking about a very few decent English ICs.
What about other nations? I honestly can't think of a huge list. It's a tough gig. All of them are, tbf.
How many "decent" wings have we had? How many "decent" 9s? How many "decent" flankers or #8s or FBs.
I think there are quite a few decent examples of all those other positions apart from 9 (if we are talking from, say, 1990 to the present day). 9 and 12 are the two that stand out, IMO. Our problems there strike me as worse than any of NZ, Australia, SA, France, Wales and Ireland.