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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Puja » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:23 am

And don't forget that Tom Wood is always ready to step in when needed.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby JellyHead » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:40 am

Can any of them play 12?

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Scrumhead » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:07 am

Danno wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Mikey Brown wrote:I don’t even get how having Hill, Dombrandt, 2 x Willis, 2 x Curry, Underhill is meant to work. And now I hear the mighty Brad Shields is actually showing some form.

Poor old Wilson.


Ludlam's career was awfully short


There’s also Zach Mercer and I think there’s a reasonable chance Will Evans could ‘do a Ludlam’ and put himself back on the radar this season.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Which Tyler » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:14 am

Scrumhead wrote:
Danno wrote:
Banquo wrote:Poor old Wilson.


Ludlam's career was awfully short


There’s also Zach Mercer and I think there’s a reasonable chance Will Evans could ‘do a Ludlam’ and put himself back on the radar this season.

My ideal world would see Underhill just-about overtaken, with Zach (and maybe Tom Ellis / Josh Bayliss) being in contention, but not favoured for England.

Enough of a carrot to push themselves to improve and keep hungry; but far enough that they only miss a couple of club matches per season. Besides, with that embarassment of riches; if players like that aren't good enough for England, then that's a real position of strength for England.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Stom » Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:53 am

Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Banquo » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:01 am

Stom wrote:Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.

Poor Wilson

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Stom » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:14 am

Banquo wrote:
Stom wrote:Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.

Poor Wilson


What do all these have in common (except, perhaps BillyV)?

Wilson is 29. These are the kids coming through (except Billy. Maybe his name doesn't belong there, it was an afterthought...).

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Banquo » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:19 am

Stom wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Stom wrote:Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.

Poor Wilson


What do all these have in common (except, perhaps BillyV)?

Wilson is 29. These are the kids coming through (except Billy. Maybe his name doesn't belong there, it was an afterthought...).

Glad you clarified :). Though Curry, Ludlam and Underhill might also not belong in a 'coming through' group, given their presence in a World Cup squad. Or even Clifford aged 26 and Sam Simmonds, who have featured and been discarded. You could chuck Joe Simmonds in there tho.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Puja » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:32 am

Banquo wrote:
Stom wrote:
Banquo wrote:Poor Wilson


What do all these have in common (except, perhaps BillyV)?

Wilson is 29. These are the kids coming through (except Billy. Maybe his name doesn't belong there, it was an afterthought...).

Glad you clarified :). Though Curry, Ludlam and Underhill might also not belong in a 'coming through' group, given their presence in a World Cup squad. Or even Clifford aged 26 and Sam Simmonds, who have featured and been discarded. You could chuck Joe Simmonds in there tho.

All those are players who will make the next RWC, as none will be above 30 in 2023.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Scrumhead » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:38 am

Banquo wrote:
Stom wrote:
Banquo wrote:Poor Wilson


What do all these have in common (except, perhaps BillyV)?

Wilson is 29. These are the kids coming through (except Billy. Maybe his name doesn't belong there, it was an afterthought...).

Glad you clarified :). Though Curry, Ludlam and Underhill might also not belong in a 'coming through' group, given their presence in a World Cup squad. Or even Clifford aged 26 and Sam Simmonds, who have featured and been discarded. You could chuck Joe Simmonds in there tho.


Joe Simmonds in the back row?

Another one is Ben Earl. He’s not getting much attention but Eddie did take him to SA last year.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Banquo » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:40 am

Scrumhead wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Stom wrote:
What do all these have in common (except, perhaps BillyV)?

Wilson is 29. These are the kids coming through (except Billy. Maybe his name doesn't belong there, it was an afterthought...).

Glad you clarified :). Though Curry, Ludlam and Underhill might also not belong in a 'coming through' group, given their presence in a World Cup squad. Or even Clifford aged 26 and Sam Simmonds, who have featured and been discarded. You could chuck Joe Simmonds in there tho.


Joe Simmonds in the back row?

Another one is Ben Earl. He’s not getting much attention but Eddie did take him to SA last year.

Stoms post covered more than the back row

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Banquo » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:41 am

Puja wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Stom wrote:
What do all these have in common (except, perhaps BillyV)?

Wilson is 29. These are the kids coming through (except Billy. Maybe his name doesn't belong there, it was an afterthought...).

Glad you clarified :). Though Curry, Ludlam and Underhill might also not belong in a 'coming through' group, given their presence in a World Cup squad. Or even Clifford aged 26 and Sam Simmonds, who have featured and been discarded. You could chuck Joe Simmonds in there tho.

All those are players who will make the next RWC, as none will be above 30 in 2023.

Puja


Sorry must have missed that in Stoms post and misunderstood coming through :). Great to have such a big pool of quality players, I agree. Forgive my mild joke about Wilson.
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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Mikey Brown » Tue Oct 01, 2019 11:43 am

Stom wrote:Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.


We could take the league-style anti-rugby thing to a whole new level and just pick an entire team of carrying, linking, breakdown machines. Forget about any sort of structure or winning the set-piece. We can scrape by for pace with Mercer, Simmonds, Clifford, Curry etc. out wide. I mean we've got away with picking Jack Nowell out there. Maybe keep Mako/George/Sink and I think we're good.

Even Ireland would think it's grim and cynical.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Which Tyler » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:04 pm

Genge, LCD, Sinkler
Ellis, Hill
Underhill, BillyV, BCurry

TCurry, JWillis
Dombrandt, Ludlam
Mercer, Clifford, Simmonds

MakoV, Taylor, Thomas?, Itoje, Lawes
Nowell, Manu, Coka
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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Scrumhead » Tue Oct 01, 2019 12:19 pm

Mikey Brown wrote:
Stom wrote:Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.


We could take the league-style anti-rugby thing to a whole new level and just pick an entire team of carrying, linking, breakdown machines. Forget about any sort of structure or winning the set-piece. We can scrape by for pace with Mercer, Simmonds, Clifford, Curry etc. out wide. I mean we've got away with picking Jack Nowell out there. Maybe keep Mako/George/Sink and I think we're good.

Even Ireland would think it's grim and cynical.


Well Dombrandt did start out as a 10 and Simmonds is easily quick enough to play centre ...

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Mellsblue » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:34 pm

Scrumhead wrote:
Mikey Brown wrote:
Stom wrote:Yeah, it's going to be a huuuuge list of potentials...

Curry
Curry
Willis
Willis
Underhill
Ludlam
Hill
Dombrandt
Mercer
Clifford
BillyV
Simmonds

And they all play multiple positions to a high standard.

I really do feel like Underhill has really come on recently. Hill is looking like a potential star. Willis is just class. Dombrandt picks some of the best lines... Curry is wonderful on the deck and in support.

Add in our lock situation and things are really looking up for England. Just need some 9s to get some time now.

Mitchell is looking good, Maunder needs time, as do Robson and Vellacott.

Behind are Smith, Ford and Farrell, and even Grayson. We've got to factor in Mallinder coming back and maybe sorting out his yellow streak.

Damn.


We could take the league-style anti-rugby thing to a whole new level and just pick an entire team of carrying, linking, breakdown machines. Forget about any sort of structure or winning the set-piece. We can scrape by for pace with Mercer, Simmonds, Clifford, Curry etc. out wide. I mean we've got away with picking Jack Nowell out there. Maybe keep Mako/George/Sink and I think we're good.

Even Ireland would think it's grim and cynical.


Well Dombrandt did start out as a 10 and Simmonds is easily quick enough to play centre ...

Simmonds played centre at age grade so he’ll be fine.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Mellsblue » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:58 am

Marland Yarde to make his comeback this week.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Puja » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:53 am

Mellsblue wrote:Marland Yarde to make his comeback this week.


Really pleased to hear that. He was coming back to his best when he was injured and there is a very good player there if he can be got right.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Timbo » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:00 pm

Good news! Really hope he can get back to full physical capacity, as he’s great to watch when at his best.

I’ve always thought of him as the most naturally gifted of his particular cohort- Watson, Wade, Daly, Nowell etc-, he’s just never managed to pull it all together for an extended period of time.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Stom » Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:42 pm

Timbo wrote:Good news! Really hope he can get back to full physical capacity, as he’s great to watch when at his best.

I’ve always thought of him as the most naturally gifted of his particular cohort- Watson, Wade, Daly, Nowell etc-, he’s just never managed to pull it all together for an extended period of time.


Yeah, he just isn't, though. He's very gifted because he combined power with pace and had a good ability to find the line. But he comes nowhere close to Watson, Wade or Daly in pure ability. I think he's a better finisher than Nowell, for sure, and probably Daly, but not sure about the other 2. And he's a better defender than Daly, Wade, or Nowell...but I'm not sure he's better than Watson.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Timbo » Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:37 pm

You seem very sure of yourself....but yeah, you’re wrong.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Digby » Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:09 pm

In fairness to Stom at Quins they (oddly) tried to use him as a power wing rather than rely on something as daft as skill.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Mikey Brown » Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:46 am

You don’t see him as a pure strike runner? He certainly wouldn’t pay attention for long enough to do much else.

If another team can make it work then good for them.

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Re: EPS Watch / Player Form Thread

Postby Stom » Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:26 am

Mikey Brown wrote:You don’t see him as a pure strike runner? He certainly wouldn’t pay attention for long enough to do much else.

If another team can make it work then good for them.


Yeah, I don't get it.

He's very good at what he does...but I don't see him close to the others in terms of their general work around the park.

He's an good(ish) defender, he runs direct and with power (not saying he's a bosher, his running style is more powerful than smooth. He could probably give Daly a run for his money in pace, but that pace just comes out differently, Daly is more languid), he has an understanding of space and uses his support well.

But if I had to pick a wing to beat 5 men 1v1, I would pick Wade, Daly or Watson above him. If I had to pick a wing to pop up in midfield and make a move stick, I'd choose Daly or Wade (of those listed. I'd just pick May every time for all these roles). If I had to pick a wing to stay aligned for the whole 80 minutes...I wouldn't pick Yarde.

I think he's very good, I just think the names mentioned are substantially better.

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