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Lions SA 2021

Postby Donny osmond » Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:49 pm

I know feck all about rugby these days, but I thought I'd get you all started...

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Re: Lions SA 2021

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Mellsblue » Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:52 pm

Are you suggesting RR applies to be Interim Head Coach by committee?

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Donny osmond » Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:58 pm

Mellsblue wrote:Are you suggesting RR applies to be Interim Head Coach by committee?
I wasn't but now you have, I am completely on board with it. Just let me dust off my old 'pod system for dummies' manuals and we're laughing.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Mikey Brown » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:04 pm

Imagine the media reaction when Farrell doesn't even make the touring squad.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Mr Mwenda » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:41 pm

Geech has named a team: https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/5 ... EFqNIo0Ysw

I think it might be a fun 'jaunt' or whatever it is we call it on RR. I like the look of that squad. I'd probably keep Underhill and would give Ford or Russell a go over Farrell meself.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Puja » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:03 pm

Mr Mwenda wrote:Geech has named a team: https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/5 ... EFqNIo0Ysw

I think it might be a fun 'jaunt' or whatever it is we call it on RR. I like the look of that squad. I'd probably keep Underhill and would give Ford or Russell a go over Farrell meself.


Geech is normally utterly mental as a pundit with picking teams, but that one's not too bad. Farrell at 10 is a non-starter, obviously, and I'd quibble with Manu at 12 (he's not a 12!), no selection of May on the wing, and picking a superfluous Scot at 6, but apart from that, it's a pretty solid selection.

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Donny osmond » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:54 pm

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and picking a superfluous Scot at 6, but apart from that, it's a pretty solid selection.

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Stom » Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:13 pm

Donny osmond wrote:
Puja wrote:
and picking a superfluous Scot at 6, but apart from that, it's a pretty solid selection.

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You wouldn't like my team, then...

Hogg
Watson
Tuilagi
Me nan (why the hell can the 3 of us combined not produce an outstanding 12? Hell, let's just pick Slade there)
May
Ford
Williams
Mako
George
Sinckler
Itoje
Ryan
Stander
Underhill
BillyV

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Puja » Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:28 pm

Donny osmond wrote:
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and picking a superfluous Scot at 6, but apart from that, it's a pretty solid selection.

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I'm allowing you one in the starting XV and one on the bench (Sutherland and Higg respectively) - what more could you ask for? That's one more than you usually get!

On a serious note, I'd like to posit Sam Johnson as being the best option for 12 in the Isles at the present time. It'd depend on form on tour and how he'll adapt to playing alongside higher quality players than he's used to, but he'd be who I'd pick there tomorrow.

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Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Donny osmond » Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:48 pm

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Donny osmond wrote:
Puja wrote:
and picking a superfluous Scot at 6, but apart from that, it's a pretty solid selection.

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I'd like to posit Sam Johnson as being the best option for 12 in the Isles at the present time.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Big D » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:02 am

Projecting a bit but I think I'd like to see:

Hogg
Watson
Manu
God knows - anyone who looks semi competent.
May
Ford
Cooney
Sutherland
George
Sinkler
Ryan
Itoje
Underhill
Watson
Navidi

McInally - could be any of the hookers left really.
Mako
Fagerson
Lawes
Billy V
Williams
Farrell
LWilliams

4 Scots is obviously a stretch given no one wants to select them ;) , but I think the ones selected above showed up well in the 6N and have the right qualities to face up to SA.

Plenty of impact off the bench.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Stom » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:16 am

Look, Sutherland looked good, but are you all seriously leaving the best lhp in the world on the bench? You mad!

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Donny osmond » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:24 am

In which positions are there genuinely outstanding candidates?

I can only really think of 9 & 10, where I think Murray and Sexton are a step above the rest.

Every other position is wide open I think?

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Puja » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:27 am

Donny osmond wrote:In which positions are there genuinely outstanding candidates?

I can only really think of 9 & 10, where I think Murray and Sexton are a step above the rest.

Every other position is wide open I think?

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I'd say Itoje and Ryan are the outstanding locks. Lots of competition in that position, but those two are something special to my mind. Plus, you'd have to say George is the standout at hooker.

And are you serious about Murray and Sexton? Sexton's going to be 73 at the point of the tour and Murray's on the verge of losing his Ireland place. I would've thought Davies had 9 sewn up.

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Donny osmond » Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:32 am

Puja wrote:
Donny osmond wrote:In which positions are there genuinely outstanding candidates?

I can only really think of 9 & 10, where I think Murray and Sexton are a step above the rest.

Every other position is wide open I think?

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I'd say Itoje and Ryan are the outstanding locks. Lots of competition in that position, but those two are something special to my mind. Plus, you'd have to say George is the standout at hooker.

And are you serious about Murray and Sexton? Sexton's going to be 73 at the point of the tour and Murray's on the verge of losing his Ireland place. I would've thought Davies had 9 sewn up.

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In fairness I wasn't impressed with either of them in the short 6N we just had, but at their best they are still the best of the home nations, I think. Of course, they might be falling off their best at this stage.

Davies is the best of the rest at 9 but doesn't seem able to cement the Wales shirt?

Had forgotten about George, yeah he prob is the outstanding hooker.

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby switchskier » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:13 am

Donny osmond wrote:
Puja wrote:
Donny osmond wrote:In which positions are there genuinely outstanding candidates?

I can only really think of 9 & 10, where I think Murray and Sexton are a step above the rest.

Every other position is wide open I think?

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I'd say Itoje and Ryan are the outstanding locks. Lots of competition in that position, but those two are something special to my mind. Plus, you'd have to say George is the standout at hooker.

And are you serious about Murray and Sexton? Sexton's going to be 73 at the point of the tour and Murray's on the verge of losing his Ireland place. I would've thought Davies had 9 sewn up.

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In fairness I wasn't impressed with either of them in the short 6N we just had, but at their best they are still the best of the home nations, I think. Of course, they might be falling off their best at this stage.

Davies is the best of the rest at 9 but doesn't seem able to cement the Wales shirt?

Had forgotten about George, yeah he prob is the outstanding hooker.

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9 stands out for me as the weakest potential position in the squad and the slot where there is scope for a real bolter to make a mark. However I don't really see anyone stepping up unless Alex Mitchell possibly nails down the Northampton shirt with Reinach off to Montpellier.

There used to be a nice tradition of an uncapped bolter making the tour. Garland won't take that chance but anyone out there that could make a run over the next season? I'd have picked Doris at 8 before he got his 5 minute debut.

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Puja » Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:36 am

switchskier wrote:
Donny osmond wrote:
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I'd say Itoje and Ryan are the outstanding locks. Lots of competition in that position, but those two are something special to my mind. Plus, you'd have to say George is the standout at hooker.

And are you serious about Murray and Sexton? Sexton's going to be 73 at the point of the tour and Murray's on the verge of losing his Ireland place. I would've thought Davies had 9 sewn up.

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In fairness I wasn't impressed with either of them in the short 6N we just had, but at their best they are still the best of the home nations, I think. Of course, they might be falling off their best at this stage.

Davies is the best of the rest at 9 but doesn't seem able to cement the Wales shirt?

Had forgotten about George, yeah he prob is the outstanding hooker.

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9 stands out for me as the weakest potential position in the squad and the slot where there is scope for a real bolter to make a mark. However I don't really see anyone stepping up unless Alex Mitchell possibly nails down the Northampton shirt with Reinach off to Montpellier.

There used to be a nice tradition of an uncapped bolter making the tour. Garland won't take that chance but anyone out there that could make a run over the next season? I'd have picked Doris at 8 before he got his 5 minute debut.


I could very possibly see Gatland picking someone that Eddie disdains, potentially just to be a d*ck. Someone like Dombrandt or Robson or Simmonds (the latter two not uncapped, but bolters nonetheless).

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Mikey Brown » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:38 pm

Stom wrote:Look, Sutherland looked good, but are you all seriously leaving the best lhp in the world on the bench? You mad!


Mako is absolute class when fit, but that does seem to be increasingly rare. Mako also seems to be one of those who’s reputation is getting better and better the less he plays.

Sutherland hasn’t got Mako’s hands, not even Furlong or Sinkler do, but he was smashing people in every contact area and most importantly the scrums. These threads are surely pretty pointless (more so than usual) if we’re going to ignore current form.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Stom » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:48 pm

Mikey Brown wrote:
Stom wrote:Look, Sutherland looked good, but are you all seriously leaving the best lhp in the world on the bench? You mad!


Mako is absolute class when fit, but that does seem to be increasingly rare. Mako also seems to be one of those who’s reputation is getting better and better the less he plays.

Sutherland hasn’t got Mako’s hands, not even Furlong or Sinkler do, but he was smashing people in every contact area and most importantly the scrums. These threads are surely pretty pointless (more so than usual) if we’re going to ignore current form.


Yeah, but you do have to balance current form vs peak form...

I honestly can't really see past an all England front 3, though I would probably have 2 Scots on the bench.

Itoje and Ryan would be something special in the boiler room, but then you'd need to supplement the carrying in the front row...hence the need for those England 3.

The backrow would obviously make use of BillyVs pure excellence when fit and firing. If not, and if Faletau's injury problems are just getting worse, the choices are either not very good or callow.

The flanks are where we have choice, and as I said, with neither locks being particularly amazing carriers, I'd want extra ballast at 6 in Stander, though I'd be open to other suggestions here, he's my least locked in player outside the 12 conundrum and the gaping void at 9.

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Re: RE: Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Big D » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:25 pm

switchskier wrote:
Donny osmond wrote:
Puja wrote:
I'd say Itoje and Ryan are the outstanding locks. Lots of competition in that position, but those two are something special to my mind. Plus, you'd have to say George is the standout at hooker.

And are you serious about Murray and Sexton? Sexton's going to be 73 at the point of the tour and Murray's on the verge of losing his Ireland place. I would've thought Davies had 9 sewn up.

Puja


In fairness I wasn't impressed with either of them in the short 6N we just had, but at their best they are still the best of the home nations, I think. Of course, they might be falling off their best at this stage.

Davies is the best of the rest at 9 but doesn't seem able to cement the Wales shirt?

Had forgotten about George, yeah he prob is the outstanding hooker.

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9 stands out for me as the weakest potential position in the squad and the slot where there is scope for a real bolter to make a mark. However I don't really see anyone stepping up unless Alex Mitchell possibly nails down the Northampton shirt with Reinach off to Montpellier.

There used to be a nice tradition of an uncapped bolter making the tour. Garland won't take that chance but anyone out there that could make a run over the next season? I'd have picked Doris at 8 before he got his 5 minute debut.


That was never a Lions tradition IIRC.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Mellsblue » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:23 pm

Am I the only one who would have Williams at 15 over Hogg?

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Puja » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:30 pm

Mellsblue wrote:Am I the only one who would have Williams at 15 over Hogg?


You are not. My back three would be Williams, Watson, May. In my opinion, Williams is a player of ridiculous quality, especially at full-back, and I wouldn't move him for anyone.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Mellsblue » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:32 pm

Puja wrote:
Mellsblue wrote:Am I the only one who would have Williams at 15 over Hogg?


You are not. My back three would be Williams, Watson, May. In my opinion, Williams is a player of ridiculous quality, especially at full-back, and I wouldn't move him for anyone.

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Re: Lions SA 2021

Postby Stom » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:32 pm

Mellsblue wrote:Am I the only one who would have Williams at 15 over Hogg?


No, just some of us are starting to lose their sanity with this lockdown and all the meth cooking going on...


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