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Scottish Qualified

Postby Scottish Caley Fan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:53 am

I've just been reading the thread on Scottish players playing abroad and saw someone ask about the players that are eligible for the US, to which there was a reply stating that there is no such thread, hence this one :-P.

The players that I know of that are Eligible are as follows:

Duhan van der Merwe
Pierre Schoeman (both likely to make debuts in October)
Finlay Christie
Sean Stevenson
Will Jordan (mentioned on thread as a "rumour")

There are a couple more that I have forgotten about lol so feel free to add to my list :).

Edited because I found this from a Tweet from 2019: .

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Big D » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:58 am

Schoeman is not SQ. Kebble is.

I'm not convinced Jordan is.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Big D » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:59 am

Jacob VdW qualifies soon. Not that I would cap him if everyone is fit.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Scottish Caley Fan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 10:47 am

Big D wrote:Schoeman is not SQ. Kebble is.

I'm not convinced Jordan is.


According to the below link he is!

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/pierre-s ... al-1400747.

Yeah, I did a Google search on WJ and on Reddit, a lot of replies said no to him being eligible for Scotland. Fwiw, I would not want us to just cap eligible players galore just for the sake of it, only DVDM and maybe a couple of other quality players would do because we have to give our youngsters a chance too.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby septic 9 » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:29 pm

Scottish Caley Fan wrote:
Big D wrote:Schoeman is not SQ. Kebble is.

I'm not convinced Jordan is.


According to the below link he is!

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/pierre-s ... al-1400747.
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your link says Schoeman hopes to play for Scotland at the next RWC. Currently is he isn't SQ and needs to complete 5 years residency, which would be prior to the next RWC. A lot can happen in 3 years

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Scottish Caley Fan » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:29 pm

septic 9 wrote:
Scottish Caley Fan wrote:
Big D wrote:Schoeman is not SQ. Kebble is.

I'm not convinced Jordan is.


According to the below link he is!

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/pierre-s ... al-1400747.
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your link says Schoeman hopes to play for Scotland at the next RWC. Currently is he isn't SQ and needs to complete 5 years residency, which would be prior to the next RWC. A lot can happen in 3 years


Ah OK :). I know about DVDM and forgot about Kebble and Van der Walt.

Out of the list above I'd be happy with:

Duhan van der Merwe
Olly Kebble
Jaco van der Walt

The rest I would not lose sleep over if they didn't get picked or choose to represent us.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby septic 9 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:58 am

Scottish Caley Fan wrote:
septic 9 wrote:
Scottish Caley Fan wrote:

According to the below link he is!

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/pierre-s ... al-1400747.
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your link says Schoeman hopes to play for Scotland at the next RWC. Currently is he isn't SQ and needs to complete 5 years residency, which would be prior to the next RWC. A lot can happen in 3 years


Ah OK :). I know about DVDM and forgot about Kebble and Van der Walt.

Out of the list above I'd be happy with:

Duhan van der Merwe
Olly Kebble
Jaco van der Walt

The rest I would not lose sleep over if they didn't get picked or choose to represent us.



the first 2 will get capped. The 3rd possibly

Schoeman if he stays fit (as I say 3 years is along time) and form will be capped.

but -
VdW hasn't convinced at all. He is so far behind Russell and Hastings (and for me, Horne) you'd need a telescope to see him. He is normally a good goal kicker, very average otherwise. Cockersball not helping him TBF

Kebble and Schoeman are both card magnets. Some very rash stuff. Both need to address it. Kebble is great at times , but rarely gets more than half a game, and goes off injured. His scrummaging goes from very dominant to pinged off the park by the ref, while Schoeman has been mainly dominant in a very good Edin set piece, except when the odd ref decides (correctly) that he always scrums illegally (his norm is to start with his shoulders way below his waist and drive up).

DvdM could be a point of difference for us. There are a few very big wingers around, nearly all SH/Pacific Islander heritage, but few if any with the sort of pace DvdM has. He has some issues around defensive alignment and work rate, but he should be the one we will get most from (and need most given Seymour has retired, and Maitland will be 32 this year)

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Lizard » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:01 am

Scottish Caley Fan wrote:I've just been reading the thread on Scottish players playing abroad and saw someone ask about the players that are eligible for the US, to which there was a reply stating that there is no such thread, hence this one :-P.

The players that I know of that are Eligible are as follows:

Duhan van der Merwe
Pierre Schoeman (both likely to make debuts in October)
Finlay Christie
Sean Stevenson
Will Jordan (mentioned on thread as a "rumour")

There are a couple more that I have forgotten about lol so feel free to add to my list :).

Edited because I found this from a Tweet from 2019: .


How is Marty McKenzie said to be qualified? He's played 7s for NZ, which would rule him out even if he had recent enough ancestry.
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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Puja » Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:56 am

Lizard wrote:
Scottish Caley Fan wrote:I've just been reading the thread on Scottish players playing abroad and saw someone ask about the players that are eligible for the US, to which there was a reply stating that there is no such thread, hence this one :-P.

The players that I know of that are Eligible are as follows:

Duhan van der Merwe
Pierre Schoeman (both likely to make debuts in October)
Finlay Christie
Sean Stevenson
Will Jordan (mentioned on thread as a "rumour")

There are a couple more that I have forgotten about lol so feel free to add to my list :).

Edited because I found this from a Tweet from 2019: .


How is Marty McKenzie said to be qualified? He's played 7s for NZ, which would rule him out even if he had recent enough ancestry.


If he's played 7s for NZ, then presumably he would be capable of playing 7s for Scotland to use the Olympics loophole, assuming he's both qualified and interested.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Big D » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:39 am

septic 9 wrote:
Scottish Caley Fan wrote:
septic 9 wrote:

your link says Schoeman hopes to play for Scotland at the next RWC. Currently is he isn't SQ and needs to complete 5 years residency, which would be prior to the next RWC. A lot can happen in 3 years


Ah OK :). I know about DVDM and forgot about Kebble and Van der Walt.

Out of the list above I'd be happy with:

Duhan van der Merwe
Olly Kebble
Jaco van der Walt

The rest I would not lose sleep over if they didn't get picked or choose to represent us.



the first 2 will get capped. The 3rd possibly

Schoeman if he stays fit (as I say 3 years is along time) and form will be capped.

but -
VdW hasn't convinced at all. He is so far behind Russell and Hastings (and for me, Horne) you'd need a telescope to see him. He is normally a good goal kicker, very average otherwise. Cockersball not helping him TBF

Kebble and Schoeman are both card magnets. Some very rash stuff. Both need to address it. Kebble is great at times , but rarely gets more than half a game, and goes off injured. His scrummaging goes from very dominant to pinged off the park by the ref, while Schoeman has been mainly dominant in a very good Edin set piece, except when the odd ref decides (correctly) that he always scrums illegally (his norm is to start with his shoulders way below his waist and drive up).

DvdM could be a point of difference for us. There are a few very big wingers around, nearly all SH/Pacific Islander heritage, but few if any with the sort of pace DvdM has. He has some issues around defensive alignment and work rate, but he should be the one we will get most from (and need most given Seymour has retired, and Maitland will be 32 this year)


The reason I think VdW will get capped at some point is purely a numbers thing. We don't have many SQ 10s playing at a reasonable level and I think he is probably 4th in line at the moment, maybe 5th if GT decides to use Horne there. With the amount of international rugby coming up in the Autumn and Winter and the players not yet having had a hit out I think we will see a few players pick up knocks and rotated in. I wouldn't expect 10 to be a position rotated any further than Russell and Hastings swapping starting and benching but one or two knocks, plus the "risk" that VdW leaves Scotland after his contract I think we will see him at least in the training squads.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby septic 9 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:49 am

Puja wrote:
Lizard wrote:
Scottish Caley Fan wrote:I've just been reading the thread on Scottish players playing abroad and saw someone ask about the players that are eligible for the US, to which there was a reply stating that there is no such thread, hence this one :-P.

The players that I know of that are Eligible are as follows:

Duhan van der Merwe
Pierre Schoeman (both likely to make debuts in October)
Finlay Christie
Sean Stevenson
Will Jordan (mentioned on thread as a "rumour")

There are a couple more that I have forgotten about lol so feel free to add to my list :).

Edited because I found this from a Tweet from 2019: .


How is Marty McKenzie said to be qualified? He's played 7s for NZ, which would rule him out even if he had recent enough ancestry.


If he's played 7s for NZ, then presumably he would be capable of playing 7s for Scotland to use the Olympics loophole, assuming he's both qualified and interested.

Puja


Scotland don't have an Olympic 7s team, so genuinely not sure if Team GB would qual him for Scotland. FWIW he was on loan at ospreys last season and was shit, I don't think he could hack it here as a 10, and with Hogg, Kinghorn, Maitland and Graham all options at 15, McKenzie is exactly the sort of 28 year old New Zealander O'Halloran was referring to when saying not worth the money to bring north and he won't be capped playing from NZ (and yes I know Huw Jones was capped from SA, but thatw as conditional on moving North and much younger)

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby septic 9 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:50 am

Lizard wrote:
Scottish Caley Fan wrote:I've just been reading the thread on Scottish players playing abroad and saw someone ask about the players that are eligible for the US, to which there was a reply stating that there is no such thread, hence this one :-P.

The players that I know of that are Eligible are as follows:

Duhan van der Merwe
Pierre Schoeman (both likely to make debuts in October)
Finlay Christie
Sean Stevenson
Will Jordan (mentioned on thread as a "rumour")

There are a couple more that I have forgotten about lol so feel free to add to my list :).

Edited because I found this from a Tweet from 2019: .


How is Marty McKenzie said to be qualified? He's played 7s for NZ, which would rule him out even if he had recent enough ancestry.


its a year old tweet, was wrong when posted. And for many of the others the ship has sailed in one direction or another. A discussion point, no more. But not much of one :D

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby septic 9 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:55 am

Big D wrote:

The reason I think VdW will get capped at some point is purely a numbers thing. .


I agree with where he is in the pecking order today, and that is also why I said he would possibly be capped. TBF we are always only a couple of injuries in any position away from a crisis.

However if Cockerill gets his head out of his arse and Chamberlain gets some decent game time the lad just might supplant VDW quite quickly. I fear that despite only having 2 tens Cockerill will try to manufacture a different solution. I'm surprised he hasn't started whinging about Glasgow having Hastings Horne and Thomson

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Big D » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:34 am

World Rugby are delaying the implementation of 5 year residency. Schoeman will be SQ next Autumn.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Cameo » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:21 pm

Big D wrote:World Rugby are delaying the implementation of 5 year residency. Schoeman will be SQ next Autumn.


Why? That seems a very strange decision.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Puja » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:28 am

Cameo wrote:
Big D wrote:World Rugby are delaying the implementation of 5 year residency. Schoeman will be SQ next Autumn.


Why? That seems a very strange decision.


I thought that at first, but looking at the explanation - because there's a lot of nations who aren't playing the matches that had been scheduled for the rest of 2020. it's not a level playing field to rule out players who would've qualified in 2020, but aren't until 2022 because there were no games for them to play in.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Cameo » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:57 am

Puja wrote:
Cameo wrote:
Big D wrote:World Rugby are delaying the implementation of 5 year residency. Schoeman will be SQ next Autumn.


Why? That seems a very strange decision.


I thought that at first, but looking at the explanation - because there's a lot of nations who aren't playing the matches that had been scheduled for the rest of 2020. it's not a level playing field to rule out players who would've qualified in 2020, but aren't until 2022 because there were no games for them to play in.

Puja


I read that and get it for players who would have been able to be capped this year and therefore qualify. I don't get why it has to be extended to someone like Schoeman who sent affected by the lack of games. I.e. a fix could have been found for the relatively few players who will have met the 3 year qualification in time but won't have a game to play in, without also delaying the start of the five year qualification period.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Big D » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:20 am

Cameo wrote:
Puja wrote:
Cameo wrote:
Why? That seems a very strange decision.


I thought that at first, but looking at the explanation - because there's a lot of nations who aren't playing the matches that had been scheduled for the rest of 2020. it's not a level playing field to rule out players who would've qualified in 2020, but aren't until 2022 because there were no games for them to play in.

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I read that and get it for players who would have been able to be capped this year and therefore qualify. I don't get why it has to be extended to someone like Schoeman who sent affected by the lack of games. I.e. a fix could have been found for the relatively few players who will have met the 3 year qualification in time but won't have a game to play in, without also delaying the start of the five year qualification period.


I see what you mean but it is nice to have a rule change we can take advantage of!

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Puja » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:42 am

Cameo wrote:
Puja wrote:
Cameo wrote:
Why? That seems a very strange decision.


I thought that at first, but looking at the explanation - because there's a lot of nations who aren't playing the matches that had been scheduled for the rest of 2020. it's not a level playing field to rule out players who would've qualified in 2020, but aren't until 2022 because there were no games for them to play in.

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I read that and get it for players who would have been able to be capped this year and therefore qualify. I don't get why it has to be extended to someone like Schoeman who sent affected by the lack of games. I.e. a fix could have been found for the relatively few players who will have met the 3 year qualification in time but won't have a game to play in, without also delaying the start of the five year qualification period.


Yeah, reasonable point. I had also thought it was just those who would've qualified in 2020 who were being allowed the extension to get capped, but I've just realised that it's allowing all the people passing 3 years in 2021 as well. You are right; it is just weird.

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Cameo » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:55 pm

Anyone know the date for Schoeman? If it is in time for the Lions that'd be interesting (and very weird)

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Puja » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:30 pm

Cameo wrote:Anyone know the date for Schoeman? If it is in time for the Lions that'd be interesting (and very weird)


Surely qualifying for Scotland would rule him out of the Lions?

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby General Zod » Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:50 pm

Puja wrote:
Cameo wrote:Anyone know the date for Schoeman? If it is in time for the Lions that'd be interesting (and very weird)


Surely qualifying for Scotland would rule him out of the Lions?

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby septic 9 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:29 am

Puja wrote:
Cameo wrote:Anyone know the date for Schoeman? If it is in time for the Lions that'd be interesting (and very weird)


Surely qualifying for Scotland would rule him out of the Lions?

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Re: Scottish Qualified

Postby Scrumhead » Thu Aug 13, 2020 9:01 am

Schoeman is available ‘summer 2021’ according to this article: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/53720537

Obviously not a specific date, so doesn’t answer the question on whether he’d be eligible for the Lions.


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