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All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:53 pm

As at 12 June 2019 - I'm updating this as more info comes to hand...

Confirmed departures:
Ryan Crotty - Kubota Spears
Owen Franks - Northampton
Steve Hansen - rumoured for Toyota Verblitz
Jackson Hemopo -Mitsubishi Dynaboars
Nehe Milner-Skudder - Toulon
Waisake Naholo - London Irish
Matt Proctor - Northampton
Kieran Read - Toyota Verblitz
Brodie Retallick - Japan, but only until 2021
Ben Smith - Pau
Liam Squire - NTT Docomo Red Hurricanes
Jordan Taufua - Leicester
Luke Whitelock - Pau

Rumoured to be leaving:
Sonny Bill Williams (to Roosters NRL)

Off-contract but no indication yet:
Jordie Barrett
Elliot Dixon
Shannon Frizell
Jack Goodhue
Kane Hames
David Havili
Tim Perry
Brodie Retallick
Matt Todd


Re-signed with NZRU beyond RWC2019:
To 2020
Scott Barrett
Vaea Fifita
Nepo Laulala
Anton Lienert-Brown
Patrick Tuipulotu

To 2021
Sam Cane
Dane Coles
Nathan Harris
Akira Ioane
Ngani Laumape
Damien MacKenzie
TJ Perenara
Ardie Savea
Aaron Smith
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Codie Taylor
Karl Tu'inukuafe
Ofa Tu'ungafasi

To 2022
George Bridge
Liam Coltman
Reiko Ioane
Joe Moody
Richie Mo'unga
Dalton Papali'i

To 2023
Brodie Retallick, with a Japanese sabbatical for 2020-21
Sam Whitelock, with a sabbatical to Panasonic Wild Knights in 2020 (while remaining eligible for AB selection) and with exit clauses.

Rumoured to be staying:
Beauden Barrett, but possibly with the Blues
Luke Romano

IDK
Brett Cameron
Mitch Drummond
Gareth Evans
Dillon Hunt
Tyrel Lomax
Angus Ta'avao
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby morepork » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:01 pm

Fuck, not Ardie Savea too. When?

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:16 pm

morepork wrote:Fuck, not Ardie Savea too. When?


Hang on - he's changed his mind! https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all ... n-contract
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Stom » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:27 pm

Oh, I do hope Whitelocks "sabbatical" will be with Quins. After all, we have that special deal...

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:30 pm

Stom wrote:Oh, I do hope Whitelocks "sabbatical" will be with Quins. After all, we have that special deal...

He's talking about Japan...
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Mellsblue » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:37 pm

Stom wrote:Oh, I do hope Whitelocks "sabbatical" will be with Quins. After all, we have that special deal...

I’ve heard it’s a done deal.























You do mean Adam, don’t you?

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:56 pm

OK. I think I've covered every 2018 All Black. Any errors, omissions, updates let me know.
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby morepork » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:40 am

That is good news.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:05 am

A few players updated above. Racing apparently wouldn’t give Read a 3 year deal so he’s looking at Japan, as apparently are Crotty, Coles and A. Smith.
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:57 pm

Matt Procter is off to Northampton. That’s a real blow. With Crotty and SBW probably off he could well have become a long term starting All Black.
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby zer0 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:31 am

I agree it's a blow. And I certainly think he deserved far, far more test opportunities than he got. But he's a centre who, had he stayed, would've been playing in Goodhue's shadow.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby cashead » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:40 am

We are seeing an ongoing production line of promising midfielders though, with Jack Goodhue and Laumape knocking about. There are also good middle-management midfielders available like my boy Buckman (who really should've been an All Black by now, IMO), Matt Faddes and Tim Bateman. There's also the next generation coming through like Vince Aso, Billy Proctor, Bailyn Sullivan and Tumua Manu who are worth a long-term investment.

It sucks that he's leaving, but at the end of the day, he needs to do what's right for him, and if the British dollar is good enough for him, then we can't begrudge his decision.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby morepork » Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:43 pm

Pound old chap. Pound.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:52 pm

British peso, post 29 March.
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby cashead » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:18 pm

Anglo-Saxon/Celtic Yuan

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby morepork » Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:28 pm

Jeff Toomaga-Allen off to Wasps to join Brad "The Plastic Englishman" Shields. Looking like that Japan cap has been lucrative for fringe players.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby cashead » Thu Jan 17, 2019 11:21 pm

Perpetually on he fringes, and almost 30, while younger props like Tyrel Lomax and Atu Moli are starting to emerge and earn caps, not to mention the good Alaalatoa brother, who'll probably get capped in the next couple of years. I like Toomaga-Allen, but it's clear that he's starting to get lost in the shuffle and I can't blame him for deciding to get going while the going is still good.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:46 am

Ngani Laumape is a confirmed Hurricane to 2021.
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:58 pm

Lizard wrote:As of 8 Jan 2019 - I'm updating this as more info comes to hand...

Confirmed departures:
Steve Hansen
Kieran Read - destination unknown, probably Toyota Verblitz
Ben Smith - Pau
Matt Proctor - Northampton

Rumoured to be leaving:
Dane Coles (Japan)
Ryan Crotty (Kubota Spears)
Nehe Milner-Skudder (Toulon)
Aaron Smith (Japan)
Sonny Bill Williams (to Roosters NRL)

Off-contract but no indication yet:
Beauden Barrett
Jordie Barrett
Liam Coltman
Elliot Dixon
Owen Franks
Shannon Frizell
Jack Goodhue
Kane Hames
Nathan Harris
David Havili
Jackson Hemopo
Richie Mo'unga
Waisake Naholo
Tim Perry
Liam Squire (I think)
Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi
Jordan Taufua
Matt Todd
Patrick Tuipulotu
Luke Whitelock

Re-signed with NZRU beyond RWC2019:
To 2020
Scott Barrett
Vaea Fifita
Nepo Laulala
Anton Lienert-Brown

To 2021
Sam Cane
Akira Ioane
Ngani Laumape
Damien MacKenzie
TJ Perenara
Ardie Savea
Codie Taylor
Karl Tu'inukuafe
Ofa Tu'ungafasi

To 2022
George Bridge
Reiko Ioane
Joe Moody

Rumoured to be staying:
Brodie Retallick but with sabbatical clause (Japan)
Luke Romano
Sam Whitelock but with a sabbatical clause (Toulon and/or Japan)

IDK
Brett Cameron
Mitch Drummond
Gareth Evans
Dillon Hunt
Tyrel Lomax
Dalton Papali'i
Angus Ta'avao
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby Lizard » Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:59 pm

Retallick, formerly linked with Sale, is now rumoured to be having a sabbatical season in Japan.
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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby cashead » Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:03 am

I'm a big fan of sabbatical seasons, since it's meant that our players get an opportunity to get a proper break, it reduces the team's reliance on specific individuals by challenging the depth available and IMO, Japan is the ideal destination because it means they still get a decent standard of rugby (roughly equivalent to the NPC here) in a short amount of time.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby switchskier » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:51 am

cashead wrote:I'm a big fan of sabbatical seasons, since it's meant that our players get an opportunity to get a proper break, it reduces the team's reliance on specific individuals by challenging the depth available and IMO, Japan is the ideal destination because it means they still get a decent standard of rugby (roughly equivalent to the NPC here) in a short amount of time.


I read somewhere that in this case it will mean that Retallick will go straight into the Japanese season then back into another NZ one, without a break. Good financially but means that over 2 years he will effectively play three seasons.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby zer0 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:00 am

True, he would basically be packing three seasons into two. Though, as Cashead says, Japan is shorter and much less physically demanding than NZ or Europe. Other franchise stalwarts/fringe All Blacks have managed it before. Guys like Andy Ellis and Matt Todd (I think), for example. Being a front line player Retallick is obviously different, and I imagine his workload in NZ would be managed to accommodate the playing sabbatical.

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Re: All Blacks post-2019

Postby morepork » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:48 pm

He said Japan is shorter....

Ma'a Nonu is in action for the Bloos latest pre-season false dawn I see. Is SBW playing at the moment? What use a Nonu and a SBW in the same team?


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