Law trials and reffing issues

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Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:02 am

Wanted s separate thread so the main NZ one doesn't get taken over by reffing complaints.

So far, the two law trials have not come into play but the increased focus on the breakdown has and I've liked it. Mainly been against the attacking teams but I've not seen any missed offences by the jacklers.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:06 am

And offsides actually been given

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:52 am

Second half became a bit of a penalty fest but stick at it and hopefully players adapt

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:06 pm

This thread seems to be just me but hey ho. Refs sticking to applying the rules and I think it is promising.

21 penalties isn't too bad and seemed to be demanding accuracy from defence as much as attack. Just need to get support behind the ball carrier not beside him.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Puja » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:23 pm

Cameo wrote:This thread seems to be just me but hey ho. Refs sticking to applying the rules and I think it is promising.

21 penalties isn't too bad and seemed to be demanding accuracy from defence as much as attack. Just need to get support behind the ball carrier not beside him.


It's going to be a question of both the refs and the players sticking to it. It's okay when the players are cooperating, but will the refs have the minerals to keep going if the players revert and the commentators are whining about 40 penalty games ruining the flow?

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:55 am

Yep, already a few articles about it not letting games flow. I think it is visibly making rucks look better and less like a mass pile on. Arguably a bit quick on calling holding on a few times but it's not like there weren't any borderline penalties previously.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Doorzetbornandbred » Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:52 pm

I love it and the lads Im coaching are chomping at the bit to play the game the way its going.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:13 am

Articles like this are beginning to frustrate me - https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-thre ... -fix-fast/

Making assertions can alter perception. I'm all in favour of the penalty counts coming down over time but there is no recognition in this article that they came down significantly between the two rounds to the point where they weren't that much higher than the average for a pro match. It should also be taken into account that it was the Crusaders' first game under the new strictness.

Rugby loves to talk itself into a crisis but generally people who have actually watched the games have enjoyed them.

Super Rugby Aotearoa doesn't have a problem it needs to fix fast, it has an issue that was envisioned and was intended to improve over time by not making fast "fixes". As far as I can see, any attempt to "fix" it will likely undermine the whole point. Let's give it the rest of the tournament.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Which Tyler » Tue Jun 23, 2020 8:37 am

Cameo wrote:Articles like this are beginning to frustrate me - https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-thre ... -fix-fast/

Making assertions can alter perception. I'm all in favour of the penalty counts coming down over time but there is no recognition in this article that they came down significantly between the two rounds to the point where they weren't that much higher than the average for a pro match. It should also be taken into account that it was the Crusaders' first game under the new strictness.

Rugby loves to talk itself into a crisis but generally people who have actually watched the games have enjoyed them.

Super Rugby Aotearoa doesn't have a problem it needs to fix fast, it has an issue that was envisioned and was intended to improve over time by not making fast "fixes". As far as I can see, any attempt to "fix" it will likely undermine the whole point. Let's give it the rest of the tournament.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby cashead » Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:45 am

Considering that the referees and coaches, including Ian Foster, are meeting with the referees and getting feedback and feedforward from each other, the current teething problems should be a thing of the past in a few weeks.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Sun Jun 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Was at the game live on Saturday so tough to judge how it was reffed. Yesterday it did seem like the ref was less strict though (especially on coming in at the side). Don't know if that was just him (or the weather) but hope it wasn't a direction.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:23 am

Bit weekend coming up for our small band of law trial enthusiasts. We have Australia's turn. Can't actually remember all the trials just now but the interesting is the 40/20 equivalent coming in. .

I'm really keen to see how it works but will need a fair bit of analysis. I can see teams being criticised for going for it too much because of poor success rates while ignoring the fact that it is forcing wingers back. Equally, I can see it having no noticeable effect.

Not many experienced 10s in Australia either.

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Re: Law trials and reffing issues

Postby Cameo » Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:36 am

Didn't watch it all - mainly because the second game was painful to watch - but only a few 50-22s or 22-50s. O'Connor did go for it within about 20 seconds and nearly made it. On that there was was a bit of a game changer, turning scrappy ball in their own half into a lineout deep in the opponent's 22.

Second game it felt like their was space out wide (possibly created by more being back) but skills weren't really up to it.

Bit confused on teh goal-line drop out rule. I thought it was when a ball was kicked through into the dead all area and the team didn't manage to bring it out. However, it seems to also apply where the defending team has carried it back too (i.e. replacing a 5 metre scrum). That seems over helpful to the defending team to me, but I suppose gets rid of another scrum.


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