World Cup cancellations

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby hugh_woatmeigh » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:41 am

Beasties wrote:Just popped in here to say sympathies re the cancellation of your game v Japan. It's sounding like NZ have swung things their way from what's been posted on other threads. As a neutral I'm totally gutted that I'm not going to see Japan get their revenge for the last WC when they'd had like 5 mins turnaround time from their previous game before playing Scot. Not that I want Scot to go out but I do want to see a proper outcome.


It's been cancelled...?

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Postby Chunks Baws » Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:42 am

Beasties wrote:Just popped in here to say sympathies re the cancellation of your game v Japan. It's sounding like NZ have swung things their way from what's been posted on other threads. As a neutral I'm totally gutted that I'm not going to see Japan get their revenge for the last WC when they'd had like 5 mins turnaround time from their previous game before playing Scot. Not that I want Scot to go out but I do want to see a proper outcome.



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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Mikey Brown » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:30 am

Did England let Scotland arrange the fixtures?

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby paddy no 11 » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:39 am

What a sham

The typhoon isn't going to cover the whole of Japan, if venue a is a typhoon risk the an alternative venue 300mi away is to be used, wouldnt have been too hard to stipulate beforehand........obviously money was the big issue here

Scotland game will go ahead but its a disgrace that the other 2 are not being played elsewhere

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby hugh_woatmeigh » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:26 am

I think Dodson is a bit of a bully and quite a toxic person but glad to have him at the head of the SRU if this does get cancelled. He's going to try f*ck WR in any way possible. A more meek character would accept it and move on.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Beasties » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:38 am

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:
Beasties wrote:Just popped in here to say sympathies re the cancellation of your game v Japan. It's sounding like NZ have swung things their way from what's been posted on other threads. As a neutral I'm totally gutted that I'm not going to see Japan get their revenge for the last WC when they'd had like 5 mins turnaround time from their previous game before playing Scot. Not that I want Scot to go out but I do want to see a proper outcome.


It's been cancelled...?

Whoops, I've obv been getting ahead of myself :?

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Cameo » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:39 pm

Apparently the contingency was to play in Tokyo - about 14km away.

And - in anticipation of some massive straw man arguments flying about, no one is suggesting that games should be played in Tokyo/Yokohama if it is dangerous to do so. All resources that are needed should be used to keep as many people safe as possible. What everyone is saying is that games could have been played elsewhere in front of empty stadiums if necessary

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Lizard » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:28 pm

I don’t think it’s practical to try to move matches to avoid a 1000km wide storm when no-one knows exactly where it make landfall. Even if, at the last minute, you figure out there’s a safe stadium, how are you going to get the teams there safely?
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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Stones of granite » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:08 am

Lizard wrote:I don’t think it’s practical to try to move matches to avoid a 1000km wide storm when no-one knows exactly where it make landfall. Even if, at the last minute, you figure out there’s a safe stadium, how are you going to get the teams there safely?

How do you explain that they were confidant enough as far back as Thursday, to cancel some games and not others?

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Lizard » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:50 am

Because they had a good idea when it would hit.
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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Stones of granite » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:48 am

Lizard wrote:Because they had a good idea when it would hit.

The Ireland v Samoa game is 2 hours after the England v France game. Are you saying that they can’t predict where a typhoon will, but they can predict when it will hit within a 2 hour window, even though the when and the where are to some degree interrelated?

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Postby Which Tyler » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:19 am

Stones of granite wrote:
Lizard wrote:Because they had a good idea when it would hit.

The Ireland v Samoa game is 2 hours after the England v France game. Are you saying that they can’t predict where a typhoon will, but they can predict when it will hit within a 2 hour window, even though the when and the where are to some degree interrelated?

Could be worth adding that the Ireland v Samoa match was always going to be the latest KO time as well, and therefore, if was the most likely to be affected, given that they didn't know the location

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby septic 9 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:45 am

Lizard wrote:I don’t think it’s practical to try to move matches to avoid a 1000km wide storm when no-one knows exactly where it make landfall. Even if, at the last minute, you figure out there’s a safe stadium, how are you going to get the teams there safely?


Its huge, but that is only being used to hide a huge fuck up.

if you identify alternative venues sufficiently far apart you have a sporting chance.

When you know roughly where landfall will be, you move the venue then- ie as they could have on wed/thurs last week, and you have a sporting chance

If you have those contingencies in place, as World Rugby assured all unions, you have a sporting chance.

If World Rugby apply all the terms of the participation agreement, (like the bit which allows WR to move or delay marches under their sole discretion) and not just one paragraph, you have a sporting chance

And then, if such contingencies as there are are applied equally to all teams and matches, you have a sporting chance.

But when there was a contingency for England v France (venue too close), and Ireland v Russia (not needed), and for NZ v Italy (delay but NZ refused to play); but by WR own admission NO contingency in place for Japan v Scotland, then you have no fucking chance

Not the same rules for everyone. Corrupt or inept. Matters not, no fucking chance.

And no chance the game will be played.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby septic 9 » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:21 am

Cameo wrote:Apparently the contingency was to play in Tokyo - about 14km away.



that was for the England France game. There was no contingency plan for Japan-Scotland according to Mr Gilpin (WR tournament director) in the Guardian. He could be lying if course to cover his tracks, which are full of inconsistent statements

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Postby Mellsblue » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:54 am

septic 9 wrote:
Cameo wrote:Apparently the contingency was to play in Tokyo - about 14km away.



that was for the England France game. There was no contingency plan for Japan-Scotland according to Mr Gilpin (WR tournament director) in the Guardian. He could be lying if course to cover his tracks, which are full of inconsistent statements

Yep. The official lines coming out from WR are all over the place.

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Postby Which Tyler » Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:19 pm

septic 9 wrote:But when there was a contingency for England v France (venue too close), and Ireland v Russia (not needed), and for NZ v Italy (delay but NZ refused to play); but by WR own admission NO contingency in place for Japan v Scotland, then you have no fucking chance

Not the same rules for everyone. Corrupt or inept. Matters not, no fucking chance.

Exactly. Typhoons are regularly a few hundred miles in diameter - a contingency that involves moving 14 miles would never have been enough. A contingent that involves moving 400 miles would be expected to be enough - and probably not enough in this case, in which case, fine. A realistic contingency was out in place, but the disaster is just too big.
All matches could have had a contingency involving moving to another stadium a few hundred miles away. Equally NZ (nor any other team) should not have the right to veto a contingency without forfeiting the match.
1 obviously insufficient contingency, 1 unacceptable, and 1 completely absent, doesn't scream consistency to me. They had 10 years to plan for a predictable event (a smaller typhoon), they chose not to, whilst claiming that they had.

Oh, and I for one, am perfectly capable of criticising World Rugby whilst feeling sympathy for the people of Tokyo. These things are not mutually incompatible. Absolutely nobody is saying that matches should be played in stadia that are unsafe disaster areas.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby SerjeantWildgoose » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:46 pm

Judging by the live reports from Tokyo I reckon there is the square root of feck all chance of Japan vs Scotland going ahead tomorrow. This is not a shame; it is a calamity.

I agree with WT’s last paragraph and have nothing but sympathy for those poor sods who have to live in the paths of these things. But sticking a World Cup competition on top of them during Typhoon season will have done nothing to help and, for whatever reason it was decided to ignore these risks, the organisers/owners of the competition have shown themselves to be so incompetent I question their credentials to run this thing in future.

For what it’s worth, I have every confidence that if the game were played, Scotland would pull it out of the bag. Japan did not become world beaters overnight (or even over a couple of years).
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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Stones of granite » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:54 pm

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Judging by the live reports from Tokyo I reckon there is the square root of feck all chance of Japan vs Scotland going ahead tomorrow. This is not a shame; it is a calamity.

I agree with WT’s last paragraph and have nothing but sympathy for those poor sods who have to live in the paths of these things. But sticking a World Cup competition on top of them during Typhoon season will have done nothing to help and, for whatever reason it was decided to ignore these risks, the organisers/owners of the competition have shown themselves to be so incompetent I question their credentials to run this thing in future.

For what it’s worth, I have every confidence that if the game were played, Scotland would pull it out of the bag. Japan did not become world beaters overnight (or even over a couple of years).

I pretty much agree. If it is as bad as reported, then the game should not go ahead.

With regard to your last paragraph, I wish I had as much confidence.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Buggaluggs » Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:32 pm

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:Judging by the live reports from Tokyo I reckon there is the square root of feck all chance of Japan vs Scotland going ahead tomorrow. This is not a shame; it is a calamity.

I agree with WT’s last paragraph and have nothing but sympathy for those poor sods who have to live in the paths of these things. But sticking a World Cup competition on top of them during Typhoon season will have done nothing to help and, for whatever reason it was decided to ignore these risks, the organisers/owners of the competition have shown themselves to be so incompetent I question their credentials to run this thing in future.

For what it’s worth, I have every confidence that if the game were played, Scotland would pull it out of the bag. Japan did not become world beaters overnight (or even over a couple of years).


They're planning on holding the next one near the Syrian / Turkey boarder. No weather problems there - should be fine.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby hugh_woatmeigh » Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:54 pm

I still don't understand why our fixture cannot be swapped with any of the other 3 being played tomorrow. Two are complete dead rubbers.

All fixtures should be postponed/rescheduled and completed before anyone lays into me. But if this is what it has come down to why on earth are games in which something is at stake not being prioritised?

I hope Dodson fucks Gilpin with a rusty bread knife.

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Postby canta_brian » Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:09 pm

hugh_woatmeigh wrote:I still don't understand why our fixture cannot be swapped with any of the other 3 being played tomorrow. Two are complete dead rubbers.

All fixtures should be postponed/rescheduled and completed before anyone lays into me. But if this is what it has come down to why on earth are games in which something is at stake not being prioritised?

I hope Dodson fucks Gilpin with a rusty bread knife.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby Puja » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:31 pm

Namibia vs Canada in Kamaishi has just been announced as cancelled.

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Re: World Cup cancellations

Postby hugh_woatmeigh » Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:04 pm

Dear god. What a shambles.
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