Cricket fred

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Cricket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Sun Oct 23, 2016 9:09 pm

So, with the first test between Bangladesh and England finely poised with just the final days play left; the hosts need just 33 runs to secure a first ever test victory against England and the visitors need just 2 wickets for victory. Does this mean Bangladesh are finally beginning to be regarded as quality opposition, or not to do them any disservice, is it more down to the usual England collapse?

Either way, it's been a cracking test so far.
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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:23 am

Bangladesh will be cross to have lost, no matter that's certainly a home pitch. England will be relieved to have won, though worried at their top order batting failure (again)

I do feel a bit for Shakib, scored 50 odd runs and took 7-130 or so only to lose. That's harsh, and they were pretty much all batsmen he was knocking over too. Still, it was a cracker of a game. At some point the authorities may concede the point that repeat scores of 550+ don't create as much interest

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Big D » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:56 am

Did well to win in unfamiliar conditions without much warm up for the guys who play just tests.

Interesting selection quandaries for the next test. Apparently Duckett was picked ahead of Hameed as Hameed is too much like Cook. Well he could bat 4 in place in of Ballance. Alternatively Ansari can come in and give a left hand spinning option and bat at in the middle order. He only averages 30 in FC but that is better than they are getting from Ballance for now.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Discreet Hooker » Mon Oct 24, 2016 7:53 pm

Did read that the wicket wouldn't have passed fit on any county ground . Still , same for both sides . All this money knocking about you'd think there be enough to ensure a worthwhile batting/bowling pitch . :oops:

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:05 pm

Discreet Hooker wrote:Did read that the wicket wouldn't have passed fit on any county ground . Still , same for both sides . All this money knocking about you'd think there be enough to ensure a worthwhile batting/bowling pitch . :oops:


Made for an entertaining test though.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:31 pm

The pitch did spin a bit too much, both in spinning from the off, and that a lot of balls span too much to take an edge. But it was still much more fun than many county games. I suppose there is that if you put a county team onto that wicket they'd be out for 45 runs or so, but it doe highlight we tend to be a bit boring.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby fivepointer » Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:32 am

Enthralling match. 4 scores between 240-290 made for an interesting, closely fought test. That the wicket offered help to the bowlers is fine by me. Batsmen have things far too much their own way to my mind.

Our top order and spin bowling are concerns.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Stom » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:13 am

I'm starting to come round to the suggestion that Cook just doesn't know how to captain spin...Would be interesting to see what differences Root as captain would/will make.

I think Cook is allowed to be rusty. Two scores in the teens is ok for Duckett on an unfamiliar surface. A total of 10 runs for Ballance is par for the course (they need to pick someone else there desperately).

If they've selected Hameed, pick him. And they said there'd be changes. I reckon we could see Rashid or Batty making way for a quick, which isn't the right idea, imo.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:57 pm

Stom wrote:I'm starting to come round to the suggestion that Cook just doesn't know how to captain spin...Would be interesting to see what differences Root as captain would/will make.


Swann has said for years Cook has no idea about spin, but he also said on such basis Cook never tried to stop him setting the fields he wanted. It is more an issue if you've got less talented/confident/assertive spinners in the side than Swanny

Also worth noting England rarely have a spin coach, which means the spinners can have no one to talk to about how they're going to get a player out and what their fields might be. I doubt Swann would want that job, Mushy would be great but clearly does other stuff too, but they should have someone good for spinners to bounce ideas off

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Stom » Tue Oct 25, 2016 1:42 pm

Digby wrote:
Stom wrote:I'm starting to come round to the suggestion that Cook just doesn't know how to captain spin...Would be interesting to see what differences Root as captain would/will make.


Swann has said for years Cook has no idea about spin, but he also said on such basis Cook never tried to stop him setting the fields he wanted. It is more an issue if you've got less talented/confident/assertive spinners in the side than Swanny

Also worth noting England rarely have a spin coach, which means the spinners can have no one to talk to about how they're going to get a player out and what their fields might be. I doubt Swann would want that job, Mushy would be great but clearly does other stuff too, but they should have someone good for spinners to bounce ideas off


I think that's what Batty is there for...

Interesting how Moeen and Batty were both far more effective than Rashid. I think he needs to do some growing up and quick, otherwise he's never going to become a test class spinner.

We do need some changes with spin in the CC, that's for sure. I'd love to see Mushy involved more, but Batty is at least a start.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:17 am

After a promising start Bangladesh have rather fallen apart.

Also nice to see that after yet another failure from the top order batsmen we see changes in the selection of the bowlers, plus ca change (although Broad is probably being rested so he can earn his 100th cap in the more commercially rewarding India series)

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:44 am

Digby wrote:After a promising start Bangladesh have rather fallen apart.

Also nice to see that after yet another failure from the top order batsmen we see changes in the selection of the bowlers, plus ca change (although Broad is probably being rested so he can earn his 100th cap in the more commercially rewarding India series)


Shame about the collapse but I'm sure England will respond in kind.

Tough debut for Ansari but Ali, Finn and Stokes have some impressive numbers with the ball.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:55 am

WaspInWales wrote:
Digby wrote:After a promising start Bangladesh have rather fallen apart.

Also nice to see that after yet another failure from the top order batsmen we see changes in the selection of the bowlers, plus ca change (although Broad is probably being rested so he can earn his 100th cap in the more commercially rewarding India series)


Shame about the collapse but I'm sure England will respond in kind.

Tough debut for Ansari but Ali, Finn and Stokes have some impressive numbers with the ball.


Ali didn't even bowl many full tosses.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:56 am

1 down already.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:13 am

Both openers gone. Looks like some more changes are needed in the bowling department.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:26 am

42-3!

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:27 am

At least we made the follow on score.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:31 am

Ever since Ballance was restored we've looked weaker.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:33 am

I don't think we'd be upset if it rained or the umpires took them off for light, and just come back tomorrow

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:47 am

Digby wrote:I don't think we'd be upset if it rained or the umpires took them off for light, and just come back tomorrow


Good call.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:41 am

Who knew that playing straight was a viable strategy in test cricket?

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Sat Oct 29, 2016 8:52 am

That's a harsh decision on Bangladesh, then again I don't have too much sympathy when you bowl that full

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby WaspInWales » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:47 pm

If it wasn't for their first innings collapse, this test would be over by now. I'm struggling to see how we can save this test now.

128 runs ahead and with 7 wickets remaining, Bangladesh have got their best chance (since last week) to beat us in a test.

They'd absolutely deserve it too.

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Digby » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:53 pm

They did of course collapse themselves in the 1st innings. Though chasing last will be hard, the new ball is brutal Vs the spinners with the bounce it's getting, and some deliveries from seamers are staying low, I've not seen anything spit for the seamers yet but the low bounce'll be enough

Once the ball softens you'll be able to play back more, but to mention a third time I don't know what you do then about the low bounce, maybe hope you get enough full tosses and half volleys that bounce isn't an issue

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Re: Cicket fred

Postby Lord Llandaff » Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:47 am

I didn't see that opening stand coming! Good to see Duckett get the important first 50 out of the way. Maybe Hales' decision to bottle out will help England in the longer term...


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